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« on: February 26, 2009, 11:36:07 am »

I am updating the documentation for VL6. I think our system requirements are bit out of date. The way I see it a "usable" system requires the following amount of RAM. Please correct me if I am way off the mark here:

VL Lite: 128MB
VL Standard: 256MB
VL Live: 512MB
VL SOHO: 512MB
VL Deluxe: 512MB

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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 11:42:52 am »

VL Light runs fine in 64MB.  128MB is only required for a couple of heavyweight apps.  There aren't many of those in Light.  We also don't have a "Lite" version, it's Light. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 12:15:51 pm »

DOH! "Lite" - excuse my horrible Americanism. It is not Yogurt after all is it. I agree "Lite" is almost as bad as:

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 12:19:30 pm »

I'm American too... I wouldn't have raised the issue except that you write the docs so for you it's more important a distinction than for most people.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 12:27:51 pm »

I run 6.0 standard on P2-350 with 128mb of ram, and it runs great for what I do on it ( browse web, use terminal apps, play the included games)

I would not compile on it though.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 12:39:33 pm »

Many users don't do compilations.  I personally would leave Standard at 128MB minimum.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 12:59:36 pm »

Is there not a better way to quantify what is "required"? It would seem that this has become an issue of patience rather then hardware capability. I can setup and run SOHO 5.8 on a dual P200 with 168Mb but I don't (not anymore at least since VL light is available). I'm not sure what the industry uses to standardize this but there must be a more objective approach.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 01:39:07 pm »

I agree with what MikeCindi has stated.
In the mean time, I suggest we keep the system requirements on a liberal side.
Of couse, you can trim it down or not run certain things... but the bottom line is... we need to keep it real... by that I mean, base the calculation on the minimum sys reqs for the shipped configuration.
if we based it that way, we can come out more accurately.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 02:36:35 pm »

M0E_lnx:  64MB is "real" for Light.  I also believe anyone who only has 64MB isn't expecting a variety of multimedia apps from the repo to run.  Similarly, I believe Uelsk8s is right about 128MB in Standard.  The only included apps that won't run in that are Penguin Command and perhaps Seamonkey.  GIMP, wicd, Firefox, and gslapt will be slow but they will work.

I actually get really annoyed by distros that claim I need the sun, moon, and stars to run them when they work perfectly well in a lesser configuration.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 02:52:25 pm »

I am not sure how else to get a "usable" number for ram needed than what we have used.
we can pick a number but someone will always be unhappy with that.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 03:10:52 pm »

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- amongst many others ...  Wink

"Gotten" is a correct past participle of "get." Either "got" or "gotten" is correct as a past participle.

What bugs me beyond belief is using "it's" as a possessive pronoun. IT'S "ITS," FOLKS!!!!
"It's" is a contraction of "it is" or "it has." "Its" is a possessive pronoun, like "his," "her," "my," "your," "their." Do you see any apostrophes in those?
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 04:30:18 pm »

We don't want to overstate, but we shouldn't become another Microsoft, either. The "minimum" requirements for all versions of Windows are routinely understated. They used to be very bady understated and were less understated for XP and Vista, but still understated.

I suppose part of it is the user's standard of what "run" means. I read people using 64 megs claiming something runs well, but having done this in the past, I would NEVER say anything runs well on that. Well, maybe console apps. But the perception of "running well" depends on what you're used to, I think. When I was using some really slow machines in the past, I had at least one other computer that was up to the prevailing standards of the time. So in comparison, the slow machine suffered badly. Eventually I couldn't stand it and got rid of all those antiques.

Maybe we should have three categories:
--Bare Minimum to install and run
--Recommended Minimum for usable performance
--Recommended for good performance

We'd probably never agree what the last category should be, but we might be able to settle on the first two.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 04:58:50 pm »

I think Granny came up with the best solution.
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2009, 09:15:27 am »

Just my two cents, but if the version of the distribution can be used on lower RAM machines (like Vector Light running on 64 MB), let people know about it.  I thought I saw mentioned on some of the forum posts that Vector Linux is good for green computing, which means (among other things) reusing old machines instead of throwing them away.

I tried Deli Linux before Vector and Deli is designed for light machines (minimum requirements just went up to 32 MB in last release).  It uses an older kernel and uclibc instead of glibc to run faster and be more lightweight.  I think Vector has comparable, if not better performance on my 64 MB machine. 

When I wanted to upgrade my computer to a distribution with a later kernel, I looked at Puppy and DSL, but they list higher memory requirements than 64 MB on some of their documentation.  One of the reasons I decided to try Vector Light is that documentation mentioned it will run in 64 MB.  I think you'll draw in some more new users if you do let them know it runs successfully on older systems and what some of the minimum specifications for successfully installing and runnning are.  (Installing can sometimes take more memory than running.)

Also, this is probably more appropriate to the 'spread the word' post, but there are forums, wikis, mailing lists, etc. that specifically discuss reusing old computers.  We should let them know Vector Linux is one of the better solutions out there.  The official documentation should hopefully reflect that information as well.
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 10:12:39 am »

In my experience, 5.9.1 SOHO and 6.0 alfa1.2 with KDE 3.5.10 both were very usable with 256 MB RAM, and Standard does very well with 128MB, though I have run it ok on a 64 MB vm as a test (of course, I wouldn't want seamonkey, firefox or openoffice on 64 MB, though I accidentally ran seamonkey once and it did load, but slowly).
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