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Author Topic: Vector 6.0 Standard/GOLD feedback and grumbles  (Read 9032 times)
overthere
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2009, 04:03:59 pm »

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nightflier
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2009, 05:29:27 pm »

Er.. guys, this is not the Jerry Springer show. At least take it to the lounge if you are not going to discuss "Technical General", as this section is reserved for.
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ACSial
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2009, 12:24:01 am »

Just to refresh this elderly thread...

I had trouble with the Xfce version of your 6.0 distro--it wouldn't boot from LiLo. The Light/IceWM one, however, was perfection.

I used XFS, since I've read that it works better with LiLo. this was my first experience with IceWM and it was a pleasant surprise. I like that it actually has more features (drag & drop, rubber-banding) than pre-4.6 Xfce...and no scary mouse logo!  Shocked I tried this distro on an ageing Celery (400MHz) and it runs nicely.

I installed OOo 3 and used Wine to install some drivers. I also put VLCPlayer in and Pine (nostalgia?). As for the wallpaper, I like the red one with the 'VectorLinux' logo. That, and Kate Beckinsale.

Slack seems to run a lot faster than Debian--is this 'cause of the lack of 'System V scripts', or whatever? I also much prefer Vector over Ant-ticks/SimperingMe-piss. For one thing, the Warren Woolford concoction wouldn't properly shut down my computer. Also, there's his ridiculous 'EULA':

"MEPIS Linux contains open source components but MEPIS Linux is not 'freeware'. Unauthorized commercial distribution of MEPIS products is 'Theft of Goods' under US Law"

I ratted Woolford out to the FSF legal team.

Congradulations on a great distro! And it's Canadian! Grin
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Hiero2
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2009, 10:36:31 am »

Wow --  Shocked

Probably too late to throw oil on troubled waters, but this looks like a lively thread! Overthere did say something more like "put up or shut up", and "shutup" by itself is pretty rude. The way I read the original "put up or shut up", tho, was more like in "good ol' buddy" punch in the shoulder kinda talk. I.e. it was meant to be friendly, but with a point. Could lead to a flame war, but wouldn't necessarily. But I'll let ya'll have ALL that to yourself - I shouldn't step in. Could get burnt.

Howsomever, as my dad used to say, as this thread was ORIGINALLY about VL6, I want to add my $.02.

I first tried to install Linux about 10 years ago. Every year or two, I would repeat that painful experience, with multiple distros, until I had blown between 20 and 40 hours of my spare time. At which time, since there were STILL outstanding issues - the project would go back in the closet. A few years ago I actually got 2 distros running and ALMOST working - Debian, and Vector (that was Deb Etch and VL 4). That same year I had ditched Ubuntu and at least one other. VL's installing package has a history, to me, of JUST WORKING. This year I've now got an Ubuntu box and a VL box. VL packagers should be proud - the partitioning scheme did a better job than Ubuntu. The gui installer is magnificent, and is very good looking. Once you get a level or two down in the choices, you start to see the old installer, but VL6 is good.
One thing I have learned in all these installs - installing Linux on an old box is dicey. The first several years I attempted this, it was always the older equipment that got me bogged down. This time I'm only using 4 year old boxes!

As for desktops, I've never much liked the out-of-the-box offerings. From anybody. Anybody remember the flying toasters? That livened things up for a while. For years now, tho, I've found beautiful photos on the internet, downloaded, and just set my choices a desktop background. When I feel like a change, I do it. Changing the background, or the window appearance, is way to ez to complain about, imho.

To the original poster - I hear ya, and wish you luck. To the Vectorites - thanks for all your hard work. Keep on doin' what you're doing - it's all good.
Mark, aka Hiero2
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ACSial
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2009, 12:55:47 am »

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Anybody remember the flying toasters? That livened things up for a while.

I like that screensaver that has little, squiggly, flaming wormy thingies. Especially when I get a migraine--can't tell it from an aura. I like starlets and, occasionally, food porn. Please, though, Vector people--don't put winter snow scenes in the wallpaper library! As Canadians, you should know how depressing that is!

As for WMs/desktops, I still like the MacClassic (up to 9.xx) ergonomics. I think whoever invented the multibutton mouse was like Dr. Mephisto, from South Park ("...with four assholes!")--they created an unnecessary complication. I think this is what initially attracted me to Xfce. However, I don't mind the Windowsy manual of arms of IceWM and it's very fast. I'm quite the non-geek simpleton, but I suspect memory useage isn't as big an issue as all the lines of code that the CPU has to rip through to do stuff (that little GKrellM thingie shows CPU useage being taxed more than memory).

I don't mind the text installer. Somehow, the install of the 'standard' (Xfce) version was unbootable for me. I'm too bootloaderphobic to muck about with LiLo. For me, discovering IceWM was a pleasant surprise, though. I've had horrible experiences with Fedora (mostly pokiness). OpenSUSE was nice, but slow (even with Xfce). Xubuntu 8.04 wasn't any faster than the corresponding Ubuntu (Gnome) and had a very odd bug, whereby Flash 10 would crash every browser on Youtube (VL 5.9.1 had this, too). DreamLinux is pretty, but very buggy (opening the terminal crashed the login). SimperingMe-piss/Ant-ticks wouldn't shut down properly, has a creepy, Edward Gorey theme and that "blow me, GPL" 'EULA'. Debian Lenny was also buggy for such a cobwebby release and lacks too many elements 'out of the box'. I also got annoyed at the forum, where they delete your profile if you don't post frequently. I arrived at VL by accident, after a long and tortuous route, and I like it.
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Colonel Panic
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2009, 01:09:34 am »

It seems that Vector Standard 6.0 needs more memory to run properly than earlier versions of Standard did. I can run Vector 5.1 comfortably in 256 MB with no swap, but doing the same in Vector 6.0 with Firefox having several windows open grinds the hard drive something awful.


(As an aside, how do you enable swap from startup)?
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nightflier
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2009, 04:48:23 am »

Firefox isn't getting any smaller as it ages. Neither are web pages. Having several windows/tabs open can gobble up a lot of memory.

Here is a good guide on managing swap:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-swap-adding.html
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Colonel Panic
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2009, 09:34:53 am »

Thanks for that. Smiley I've made an 810 MB swap partition which should be more than adequate and I'll try it out soon.

Clearly though there is a resource problem with my machine - having to use swap is second best (things slow down etc.).

I may install 6.0 Light at some point or even 5.9 Standard, both of which I've got around somewhere. For the present I'm posting from another distro which seems to have fallen out of favour here (woof!).
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